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In this episode Trent discussed violence committed by transgender advocates and how Christians should respond.
Michael Knowles vs. LGBTQ advocates on Jubilee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBoFwaTWm70
Transcription:
Trent:
Recently a man pretending to be a woman threatened Catholic speaker Matt Frat for being unwilling to endorse transgender propaganda. Matt handled the situation graciously, but what happened to Matt is not unusual. There are many cases of people who identify as transgender threatening violence and even committing acts of violence against people who disagree with them, and so in today’s episode, I’m going to say enough is enough. We’re not going to tolerate this behavior and Christian charity demands. We hold people who threaten violence responsible for their actions. First, let me show you the clip of what happened to Matt Fra when he was speaking.
CLIP:
I guess I’d want to ask what that has to do with the love of God then? Well, what does that mean to do with the love of God? If God loves you, wouldn’t he want you to live in accord with reality?
Trent:
Say that to me out in the car park. You want to say that to me?
CLIP:
Kind of
Trent:
Notice the threat here. Do you want say that to me outside? He’s implying that he’s willing to get in a physical fight over this, which is ironic because that’s something a man says. Even though this person claimed to be a woman and props to Matt Fra for not backing down when threatened, but this kind of response, it’s not uncommon among those who identify as transgender. Here’s Ben Shapiro. Several years ago debating Robert Tour, the guy who filmed the OJ Simpson Chase and who later pretended to be a woman named Zoe Tour. Here’s what he said to Shapiro when Shapiro rightly asked about his chromosomes,
CLIP:
But even so you have a thing like Kleinfelter syndrome, so you don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re not educated on genetics, supposed to discuss the genetics or no. Or your
Genetics, so I’d stay away from the genetics and back to the brain scans.
You cut that out now or you’ll go home in an ambulance. That seems mildly inappropriate for a political discussion.
No, I know, but wait to be fair, but to be fair, wait, to be fair, but be fair, you’re actually being kind. Rude. No, no, and that’s not fair.
I’m sorry. It’s not rude to say that someone who’s biologically a male is a male,
Someone
Who’s biologically male is a male,
But Mr. Shapiro, you knew very well that saying that Zoe would be egregiously.
Trent:
What really makes my blood boil in this clip is not Zoe Tur, Robert Tur, whatever name you want to use, acting mentally unwell. This guy’s mistaken about his own manhood, so he has a loose grip on reality despite his tight grip on Ben Shapiro’s shoulder. No. What makes my blood boil are the liberal allies who make excuses for transgender violence. They concoct a fantasy world where a so-called marginalized person can say any hateful thing he wants about whites, men, Christians, et cetera, and those people just have to shut up and respect his truth. But if an oppressor says an obvious fact about that person like their correct biological sex, then the person’s hurt feelings justify his feeling to hurt other people. This is pared well in a Babylon B article with headline, I’m a victim yells trans activist while punching woman in the face. In fact, it’s not hard to find on social media posts arguing that transphobes quote deserve to die as can be seen in memes that include guns and other acts of violence against those who reject transgender ideology. Sometimes the threats are subtle, like when Minnesota Lieutenant Governor Peggy Flanagan wore a shirt that said Protect trans kids that had a knife on it. Other times the threats are quite explicit
CLIP:
And why is JK rolling still alive? We should be focusing our efforts and our resources not on assassinating Trump, but instead on assassinating JK Rowling that wench needs to die. She needs to burn on the stake and die. I condone murder, I condone it. I think that we need to hold our politicians accountable by murdering them.
I dare you to try and stop me from going into a women’s bathroom. It will be the last mistake you ever make. I dare you to try and stop a transgender woman in my presence from using the bathroom. It will be the last mistake you ever make. Ma’am?
Trent:
Once again, ma’am?
CLIP:
I said both of you.
Trent:
No, you said sir. Once again, it’s ma’am,
CLIP:
I actually said both of you guys. It was a
Trent:
General right beforehand. You fucking said sir, sir. Okay, mother, take it outside. You want to call me sir again? I’ll show you sir. I apologize, mother, I apologize. Oh, and another creepy one are people who say that if you don’t agree with transgenderism, your pronouns will be was were IE, you’ll be reduced to the past tense via murder.
CLIP:
Hi there. You can either respect my trans homies or I can identify as a problem and if I catch your bitch as being disrespectful, your pronouns are going to be was were Thank you for coming and have a nice day.
Trent:
And then there are people who identify as transgender who openly commit violence against those they disagree with as can be seen in this clip as Christians. How should we respond to this? Well, on the one hand, we shouldn’t be cruel or vindictive or vengeful towards people who disagree with us or even want to hurt us. Our Lord suffered unjust violence, but he did not lash out at his persecutor. Jesus told us to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us, and this includes people who hate our refusal to endorse transgender ideology. On the other hand, though, we should not be doormats that only care about appeasing violent transgender advocates. Some people will quote Jesus’s command to turn the other cheek and say we shouldn’t care what they do. But Christian charity actually demands that we hold violent people accountable for their actions for the good of those that they threaten and for the good of the violent person’s soul.
For example, one time when I was on a college campus engaged in pro-life outreach, a female professor came up to our exhibit and threatened to cut off one of the male volunteers testicles. She then shoved him and walked away. The police were called and the volunteer was asked if he wanted to press charges. He said no because he wanted to show Christian charity and be forgiving towards the professor, but the director of our outreach got him to change his mind and to press charges. He told this male volunteer that true Christian charity would care for the good of this woman’s soul and that if she got away with this crime, she would think that she could get away with other acts of threatening people or assaulting people or maybe doing even worse things to them. Christian charity demands that we hold. Anyone who threatens violence accountable for his or her actions, their threats should be made known to their employer, their schools, and to the authorities. This should be done not out of a cold desire for vengeance, but out of a loving desire to get that person help and to prevent him or her from committing an even worsen. For example, here’s a clip of a pro-choice protester Jordan Hunt assaulting a pro-life woman with an albeit hilarious roundhouse kick. You think you should keep it. It’s a baby. If someone is raped and she gave birth and she decided to kill her three-year-old
CLIP:
Child, take your phone, someone call the cops your phone. Do not touch me. Someone call the cops.
Trent:
I love the part where he says, I meant to kick your phone as if it’s okay to destroy someone’s property as long as you don’t hurt the person. A news article also said Hunt was involved in a similar incident in August while riding on a bicycle hunt allegedly approached a group of activists in Toronto and tried to take away one of their signs. When the protesters fought back, hunt pushed one of the women into a poll, he then fled the scene. Hunt was fired from his job and sentenced to eight months probation and this is a good thing for him. I think the sentence was kind of light, but he needed something to disabuse him of the diluted idea that you were justified in physically destroying the property of your ideological opponents. If people are allowed to think they can hurt others because they are transphobes, then this can lead to all sorts of horrible outcomes like transgender youth who kill their parents because of their parents’ perceived transphobia or a transgender nurse in Austria who killed a patient that brought up her true gender identity.
Rejection of trans ideology may also have been a motive in a 2023 Nashville shooting at a Christian school by a woman claiming to be a man. One objection to what I’ve said so far though is that I should also mention the violence committed against people who identify as transgender, but we don’t apply that standard to other kinds of violence. Many liberals rightfully condemn racist acts of violence committed by white people, but they don’t feel the need to also condemn racist acts of violence committed against white people in that same condemnation. Moreover, as you saw in the clip of Ben Shapiro, liberal elites defend or downplay violence committed by transgender people, so this justifies making an extra emphasis encountering this kind of violence and threats. Another objection might be that I’m cherry picking. A critic will say, I’ve cited just a few bad apples, and most people who identify as transgender or support this ideology don’t openly threaten or commit violence.
That may be true, but so what? Most people who identify as white supremacists don’t openly threaten or commit violence either, but the critics who say I’m cherrypicking would’ve no problem with me calling out white supremacist terror and condemning instances of it on social media even if most white supremacists aren’t violent. If I can call out the evil of white supremacy in this way, then why can’t I call out transgender terror in the same way? Now, I’m sure these critics would say that white supremacy is evil, and so it should be called out even if many people who hold this view aren’t openly violent. I agree, but transgender ideology is also evil even when people who defend it aren’t endorsing violence. White supremacy is evil because it perpetuates a lie related to biology that some races are morally superior to other races. Likewise, transgender ideology is evil because it perpetuates a lie related to biology.
Pope Francis has even said today, the ugliest danger is gender ideology that cancels out differences, and I would say that many defenders of transgender ideology do defend violence against innocent people, so we are justified in firmly telling them that they are morally insane and we will not tolerate your calls for violence anymore. You are wrong. We are right. Deal with it. When you say a man with a penis should be allowed to fully undress in a female locker room where underage girls are present, you are advocating for sexual violence against women. When you say transgender therapy and surgery should be given to children, you are defending psychological and physical violence against children. When you say male rapists should be allowed to identify as women in prison so they can be housed with female inmates who they later rape, we are not going to coddle your feelings anymore.
We’re just going to say God loves you, but you need to get your head checked. We are going to condemn your disgusting defense of things like child mutilation and violence against women and not feel sorry about telling you the hard truth. You need to hear for the good of your soul and the good of those who may be harmed by your words or your votes on these issues, and while it usually isn’t violent, transgender advocates also harm women by competing in women’s sports using their male biological advantages to win awards that should have gone to women. Here’s Michael Knowles masterfully showing how to graciously yet firmly make this point in a conversation.
CLIP:
What does transgenderism in public look like to you?
It’s allowing men to be treated for the purposes of the law as women. It’s men taking 900 sports trophies from women in recent years. That doesn’t happen. They didn’t take 900, they took 900. There’s a report just came out from the United Nations, actually 890 trophies and medals across 600 women who were competing competitors across 29 different sports and 400 competitions that came out like yesterday
And they deserved them.
It didn’t happen and they deserve them. Okay, that is the logic I hear from the pro transcribe.
Trent:
Check out Knowles’s full encounter on Jubilee in the link below to see an excellent approach to speaking truth on LGBT issues. Now, some critics will say that my rhetoric is too harsh and that this kind of rhetoric could lead to violence even though I firmly condemn violence against all innocent people, but those same critics don’t care about calling Donald Trump or conservatives Nazis, even though that kind of rhetoric almost led to Trump’s assassination, so I don’t really care what they think. Instead of complaining about my rhetoric point out where I’m wrong, and if I’m not wrong, then why don’t you show me the right way to condemn transgender terrorism. For those of you who believe in the monstrous lies of the transgender movement, whether you are transgender or not, I will say this, God loves you and God doesn’t want you to be morally insane or psychologically unwell.
He wants to make you a whole and complete person. Just as Christian Love urges us to tell an alcoholic or an anorexic that he or she needs to get professional help for their delusion or disordered behavior, Christian Love urges us to say the same thing to men who think they’re women and women who think they’re men, especially when they want to impose this delusion on other people, and when people threaten violence in defense of their delusion, Christian charity urges us to hold them accountable and get them the help that they need. By doing this, we avoid the extreme of dehumanizing someone through vengeance and also avoiding the dehumanizing extreme on the liberal side, which says that it doesn’t matter what you do, you can hurt other people just because your feelings have been hurt. Instead, we should treat people who have gender dysphoria or of threatened violence as whole persons to treat them with compassion, but also hold them accountable so they can get the help that they need. I hope that today’s episode was helpful for you, and if you want to help us to share important messages in a culture that doesn’t always want to hear them, then please consider supporting us for as little as $5 a month@hornpodcast.com. Thank you all so much and I hope you have a very blessed day.