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In this episode, Trent shares a recent Q+A he had hosted by Michael Jones of Inspiring Philosophy on a wide variety of subjects.
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Trent:
Recently I was invited onto Inspiring Philosophies channel to debunk gay revisionist Christian theology in history and during the episode the viewers were able to ask me anything, so I thought I would share some of those questions and answers with you, but thank you guys so much for watching. Be sure to check out Inspiring Philosophies channel. Michael Jones, the host of the channel, does a lot of great work there and please don’t forget to like this video and subscribe to our channel.
Michael:
Thank you, Trent. I’m a Protestant currently getting ready to start RCIA. You have been a huge help from my return home. Well that’s great.
Trent:
Praise to God.
Michael:
Yeah, appreciate that. As a supporter of both you and Trent, I just hope Mike Winger has no problem with you talking to Trent. Mike Winger’s not my boss. I dunno. Such a shame. Mike Winger is anti-Catholic. Yeah, I think that is a shame. I don’t take that route at all.
Trent:
Well, and I don’t mind, I don’t even know if I would call Mike anti-Catholic. I would say he’s a critic of Catholicism and I don’t mind if someone is a critic of what I believe because if you don’t agree and you think it’s false, you’ll make criticisms. That’s fine. I think I have a good working relationship with Gavin Orland, for example. We’ve worked side by side. We’ve had a formal debate. I’ve been on a show, we talked about baptism. I’d be happy to engage. I’ll probably have him back on my show to talk about Catholicism again. What’s more interesting is that I would be happy to chat with Mike about it, that I replied to many of his videos he made years ago. That was back when I had my most old school YouTube set up to reply to his videos and then he made a reply to me accusing me of misrepresenting him, and I just think it’s best that two people can just sit across from each other to settle accusations and clear the air and I’m up for it. If he ever is so all’s in his court,
Michael:
I’d love to host it. So if that ever happens, hey there as a Catholic, I’ve heard some conflicting things on speaking to those outside the faith. Trent, am I supposed to not correct those in the faith and am I supposed to not tell those who don’t believe about sin?
Trent:
Yeah, I’m not sure where the person is referring to, but admonishing correct. Teaching the Ignite admonishing correcting them, that’s a spiritual work of mercy. It should be done with care, it should be done with charity towards those. One is correcting, but there’s nothing in the faith that says that you ought not admonish. Correct those. The book of Proverbs says to rescue those who are being dragged to death. So I probably need a little bit more specifics before I could comment further on that.
Michael:
Trent, please come on. David Woods channel and forcibly baptize apostate prophet so we can finally get him on the team.
Trent:
That’d be a nice quick way to an invalid baptism. Aquinas settled that one 800 years ago. Those are definitely not valid. But
Michael:
Did Aquinas consider baptism by Super Soaker?
Trent:
Well, if I Jimmy Aiken, I’m sure Jimmy would be like, well actually, and he could come up with something I would say, I don’t even want to get into that. Some people did do that during Covid and that’s just ridiculous. But as long as the water, as long as the water hits the head and you use the formula, it could be valid, but I don’t want to even go down that road anymore.
Michael:
I agree. Only just got here but already seems like too long of a video when you could just say no LOL. God bless peeps. Yeah, I mean, but I wanted to do this dream. I wanted to talk about this idea that I hit on multiple times here, which is that stop accusing men who are really good friends of being gay, damaging and harmful in ways. And so that took a little bit more to say any prayer requests. Also, if you want, we have an ecumenical prayer service or server with morning and evening prayers. Last time I put your request there. Yeah, I’m much appreciated. Yeah, just pray for ministry funding. We’re trying to grow and hire some people, so that’s what we’re working on. Also pray for the salvation of apostate prophet since he’s been mentioned here. I think that would be good. His wife, I think just became orthodox, so that’s praise God for that. That’s great. Yeah, that’s awesome. Maybe I’m reading too much into this, but it seems the West has aggressively pushed for the LGBT cult over the past decades due to the false belief that says no to LGBT is equivalent to being a Nazi or a racist. Yeah. We do see a lot of that rhetoric, this idea that if you disagree, you’re homophobic, you’re a racist, you’re a Nazi, and it’s like, dude, I can disagree with L-G-B-T-Q lifestyles and still consider them loved by God and humans worthy of rights and equality and these kinds of things.
Trent:
Yeah, it conflates illegitimate criticism of LGBT, ideology, violent acts, malicious hatred, even spreading lies about the LGBT community. Those are things that are common with other kinds of acts of discrimination like racism, what the Nazis did to the Jews and to other marginalized groups. But just because a group can be treated poorly and has been treated poorly, it doesn’t follow that everything the group believes is true or good or worthy of celebrating. That one could also, there’s illegitimate criticism, but illegitimate acts towards others, but there’s also legitimate forms of criticism and legitimate curtailing of what a group may do. So for example, the catechism of the Catholic church, it speaks about, it says every sign of unjust discrimination must not be levied against those who have same sex attraction but just discrimination. Like a Catholic school should not hire somebody who’s in a so-called same-sex marriage because the kids in the class think, oh, I guess it must not be so bad if Mr. Smith is married to Frank and he teaches math at a Catholic school. Couldn’t be that bad. Just like if you hired a guy and they’re having Catholic schools that have fired people for posting on white supremacist forums because they would say, yeah, you can’t have a racist white supremacist at the school. And the kids didn’t even know, but if they knew, I guess it must not be that bad because Mr. Black who is a racist or what have you, I guess he works here, so it couldn’t be that bad. It’s the same principal.
Michael:
Exactly. Non Christian here. So Baptist. No, I’m just kidding. But love both of your contents. Hey ip, your sources are great, the books are easy to find, but what about the study studies seem impossible to find? Where do you get yours? Yeah, good question. Everywhere. I mean jstor I use, sometimes I’ll use Google Scholar. I mean a good thing to do is if you find a good study, sometimes you can see on the website other papers that cited it that came later. I’ll look at that or you’ll look at the sources in a paper. That’s where I got a ton of the studies for my video. I did recently how Christianity changed the world and I just went through all the missionaries that have just made the world better through education. These were not just opinion pieces, these were robust studies that were performed on missionary activity. So try that kind of thing. I mean, but again, it’s hard sometimes. You just got to look. Are there any good scholarly resources on the topic of the real presence of Christ and the Eucharist? I appreciate both of your ministries.
Trent:
Yeah, I mean there’s brand Petrie’s book Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist. There is a recent book on the Eucharist. I want to say his name was Brett Salkin. I have to look that up, but he did. There was a recent scholarly treatment of the doctrine of transubstantiation, but it’s not coming to me. Oh wait, actually, yeah. Brett Sal held transubstantiation theology history and Christian unity, so that’s probably a very recent academic treatment of the subject
Michael:
Subject just tuned in. How do you respond to the idea that homosexuality was only condemned in the context of pagan rituals or practice? Sorry if I missed a response. I don’t think it really is in places like one Corinthians six
Trent:
For example. No, yeah, it’s same in the Old Testament. Like in the Old Testament you have the Hebrew, you had the cultic, prostitutes, the Qim, but in the Levitical prohibitions and the Holiness code, the qim are not mentioned there. It’s not mentioned in a cultic practice. Similar in Romans one, while it mentions idolatry, this isn’t saying, oh, this is just a pagan cultic practice. Paul’s point in Romans one is that, hey, his interlocutors will say, how can you judge the Gentiles? They didn’t have the Old Testament, they didn’t have the Torah. And Paul says they’ll be judged because they had the law written on their hearts that even anybody with a brain can figure out that a creature is not the creator, don’t give what’s due to creatures due to the creator idolatry and men’s genitals aren’t meant to go into men’s other orifices. They’re meant to go in women’s, anybody can figure out the natural order. Don’t exchange that. Don’t exchange creature creator for creature. Don’t exchange women for men or men for women. But yeah, same with one Corinthians six for Timothy one, there is no pagan ritual element there.
Michael:
David Love Jonathan and is the biblical equivalent of Lou Bell’s brotherly bond with two of his sword brothers, GU Yu and Zang fee, nothing sexual. Yeah, I did a reply to A-E-L-C-A pastor, so evangelical Lutheran Church of America who was trying to argue they were, it’s like nothing there either. They’re not gay. No. Mike and Trent love my brothers in Christ. Thank you for the super chat. Amen. Thank you for the super sticker. Much appreciated. People of same as sex touching each other is seen as completely normal and not as sexual in the culture of the far east. Yeah, it’s a western idea. Tom Holland talks a little bit about it, how the hyper romanticization of everything comes out of secularization, leaving Christian culture, this kinds of stuff. So yeah, this relentless in effectuation with sex everywhere and constant stimulation shows how the world needs Christian aesthetic tradition.
Yeah. I think this is just moving in a post-Christian culture when Christianity really prizes love so much, and when you leave Christianity, you leave the love of God as the primary thing. What are you going to replace it with? Well, romantic love is going to become the next thing there because the marriage bond is the closest thing we get to Christ’s love for the church. Everything has to be turned into romantic love at that point, and I think that’s just the natural result of leaving Christian culture and going to a post-Christian culture. You replace, you’ve already accepted love as the greatest thing, but now you’ve got to replace it with typical Christian concepts of love, and so everything just reduces to romantic love.
Trent:
Right.
Michael:
Who is the better debater? IP or Trent Horn? Well, obviously it’s Mike Winger.
Trent:
I’ll leave it at that.
Michael:
Yeah, I don’t know. We’ll never debate because we’re on the same team and I don’t debate Catholic Protestant stuff either way, and I keep all that stuff private. It’s just my personal decision skill is great. The dude already loves me. Hey Trent, thank you for easing my journey into the Catholic church. Praise God. Wonderful to have you in the church.
Trent:
By the way. I’m not, I hate to. I’m going to feel like people call me the world’s youngest boomer, but I am not familiar with skillet. At first I watched video. I thought he was talking about Skrillex. I know who Skrilly is. I thought, what did he say? Then I’m like, oh no, it’s skillet and I only know that at the Village Inn or Denny’s, but get the old cowboy skillet going now. I’m not familiar. I’m not familiar with them. I’ll have to check that out, I guess.
Michael:
Yeah, they’re not coming up in any old
Trent:
Irish, oh no, they’re American Christian rock band. Are they the people? Hank Hill would say, you’re not making rock and roll better. You’re making Christianity worse.
Michael:
Probably. I don’t know.
Trent:
I’ll have to check it out.
Michael:
Blue Be’s brothers are as hands and feet wives and children are clothing. You mend your torn dress, but who can reattach a lost limb? Oh, that’s relation to the Jonathan David thing earlier. Yeah. Another good example of the highest form of love, Admiral Yee Sun Shin dying in battle, trying to save Chinese generals in the battle of No Yang. Yeah, it’s an interesting story of Al Hin
Trent:
In the Hollywood remake. At the very end, they just start making out. It’s like, oh, come on people.
Michael:
And they’re black too. So because
Trent:
Yes, that’s the Google AI trying to write the script
Michael:
Anyways, train if possible, check out romance of the three kingdoms. It’s like the far eastern version of Lord of the Rings and Shakespeare. Cool. Appreciate that. Any
Trent:
Adjective affixed?
Michael:
Yeah, I was looking at that second word gun. What is that to the word Christian shifts the emphasis to itself, thus an LGBT. Christian is an LGBT, not Christian, therefore LGBT Christians have not, do not and will not and cannot exist. Yeah. Kind of thing we were getting at here. Here’s the thing I have with this is identifying as LGTQ is kind of like alien to Christianity because we don’t consider that central to our identity. Our central identity is Christ, and often when you get in LGBT ideology is their sexual orientation is central and that’s just incompatible with the way Christianity looks at identity because those are things out in the peripheral. They’re not things that would be central. So to say you’re an LGBT Christian is kind of mixing worldviews that just, it’s like a category error almost. I don’t know. What are your thoughts? Well,
Trent:
Yeah, it has nothing to do with the Christian faith itself. The only places where I would see that being really legitimate or at least most legitimate would be, for example, someone who embraces a particular Christian tradition and celebrates that. So someone might say, I am a Coptic Christian, I’m an Armenian Orthodox, I’m Armenian Christian, I’m Byzantine, I’m a Latin right, Christian, I Western Christian and Eastern Christian. And there what you’re doing is you’re celebrating the unique right and history and of the Christianity that you were a part of. But when you start, especially including things that are not directly connected to the faith, those often just schemes me, I am this and I also happen to be Christian, and it is what guides my Christianity, not the other way around.
Michael:
Yeah. Well said. Thank you for the super chat. Hopeful Theism says I need to have both on my channel to fight about this. Yeah, you should go on Hopeful Theism formally known as potential theism channel and you convert ’em to I was.
Trent:
Oh, good. Well, I was back when it was potential, so now it’s hopeful and I’ll have to, it was a good time. Love to do it again.
Michael:
Yeah, get on there and convert ’em. So appreciate the very generous $50 Superchat five silver pesos Craus. Much appreciated. Your super chats on the channel have always been incredibly helpful and appreciated being pro LGBT at this point. I am not a Nazi or Hitler, even though you aren’t. I mean, yeah, it is become a political slogan in a lot of ways, unfortunately
Trent:
With, well, what’s funny is when people say that what we’re seeing now is it’s the boy who cried Hitler. If everybody’s Hitler, if everybody’s a Nazi, then when it’s like, no, they really are Nazi, he’s like, yeah, yeah, you said that. And now people, when they hear it so much, they get desensitized to it. You’re a Nazi and people are like, ha ha, I am. And then it’s like, now what do you do? And well, you desensitize everyone to it so much, and that’s the problem.
Michael:
Exactly. Mike and Trent, how do we tell between how God created us, how the faulted and what just is asking in order to respond to God made me this way. I mean, my typical response is, if you were born this way, this is why Christ said you need to be born again. Christ kind of acknowledged that people can be born in sin, born with fallen tendencies, and that’s why we have to be born again of the spirit and of water. It’s not this idea that, I mean, again, it’s a clash of worldviews. Christianity has never accepted the way we’re born is the way we’re intended to be. We can accept that people are born with dispositions and desires that are sinful and wrong, and that’s why we need the Holy Spirit to come into our lives. So I would respond in that way,
Trent:
I think. Yeah, what I would say also is, this is an interesting point that’s made because I really think very few people, especially with same sex attraction would say they’re born that way. Typically same-sex attraction emerges during puberty or shortly before puberty as more as a way of saying, well, when it comes to sexual attraction, this is how I’ve always felt. It feels like it’s something that comes from within me, but there are things where I know people, their parents have said ever since they were born, the day they were born, they were always kind of mad or ri or had a very short fuse. They have literally been that way since the day they were born. They have always been cantankerous quick to anger with others, but as Christians we’re called to be slow to anger. So that could be a legitimate case where you have that predisposition, it may never go away and it’s a unique cross that you’ll bear.
And then we have, there are lots of different elements like that. There’s also other examples. I think when this comes up, people say, why would God make me this way? Like I said, we live in a fallen world, so we have different sinful dispositions. We don’t know where it comes from. Genetics environment, the genesis of same sex attraction, it’s still very nebulous now. People used to say it could never change. Now people are saying it can be fluid. So we don’t really know in that regard. But when it comes to the elements of these attractions, shoot, I had a really good point, but it has escaped me at the moment.
Michael:
Yeah, no worries.
Trent:
No, it was because,
Michael:
Well, while you’re thinking, the only thing I would add is I mean, most straight men are born to desire to sleep with multiple women, yet Christ calls us to be monogamous in one relationship. So unless you become a priest or you have been called to a life of celibacy,
Trent:
Oh, sorry. I know what I was going to say. This particular, because some people say, well, look, if you have the same sex attraction, what are you going to do in the church? You’re not attracted to women and you’re not allowed to marry someone of the same sex a man, and vice versa. If it’s a woman, what are people supposed to do? But there are many people who have those same sorts of pressures, even if they have opposite sex attractions. So there are people who describe themselves as incel, for example, people who are involuntarily celibate, men who are attracted to women who would like to marry, but through circumstance or just other things beyond their control. And although sometimes within their control, but other times not within their control, they’re just unable to find anyone who wants to marry them. And so they are essentially consigned to a celibate life.
And what will we as a church offer to those? What a grace. What heroic virtue? What self-mastery and discipline, what saintly options can we offer those who may feel called to the good of marriage, but there is an impediment that prevents them from having that good, whether it’s same sex attraction or opposite sex attraction. And there’s something else preventing it from reaching marriage. It’s not just those who identify as LGBT. I think there’s a growing number of people who are consigned to the single life, even though they would rather not be. And we as a church have to provide them with the spiritual resources for carrying that cross.
Michael:
Already answered this a little bit, but same sex attraction due to fallen nature. Yeah, yeah. Trent is my ninja. It says Fox.
Trent:
Thank you, sir.
Michael:
If it helps, I’m talking more about street preaching. This is from an earlier comment. So yeah, thank you for the very generous super chat. $50, much appreciated. I like the use of both these definition of an individual substance of a rational nature. I’m having trouble reconciling it with Trinity. Do you think it’s possible to reconcile this definition? Thank you two. Trent, you’re why I’m studying philosophy. This seems like it’s outside of my wheel. I’m not so much familiar with his definition. If you know more on that than I do,
Trent:
Yeah, that’s the definition of a person for him, an individual substance with a rational nature. That’s what a person is though. When we use the terms persons to describe the members of the Trinity, we’re always speaking analogically using the term person, but we are talking about distinct members of the Trinity, not separate, but they are distinct from one another, the sharing in the divine. So they all share in the divine substance and possess a rational nature, but are distinct from one another. But I can’t think of the top of my head who a good resource on Boite the Trinitarian theology, but I bet it’s out there.
Michael:
Yeah, as soon as you said it, it came back to me. I had forgot all about that. I thank you for becoming a channel member Jason. Much appreciated. Trent. You’ve mentioned the less knowledgeable Protestants are likely saved. What about Protestants who study Catholicism and stayed Protestant?
Trent:
I think the answer there is going to be the same answer to the question. What about a knowledgeable atheist who remains an atheist or a knowledgeable Muslim that remains a Muslim? Only God is going to be able to judge their heart, and whether the ignorance they have of the true faith is vincible something they could have overcome but sinfully chose not to, or whether it was invincible ignorance that they were not able to overcome. I do not believe God will damn a person merely for a cognitive error. It would have to be some kind of moral error as well in their assessment.
Michael:
Yeah, I think that’s a fair response. Hey guys, good stuff. I have a question that’s slightly off topic. I’m curious what your guys’ thoughts are on abortion abolition versus abortion incrementalism. What’s the Catholic and Protestant view? Sure.
Trent:
Well, I thought about this a little. I thought about maybe having a dialogue with some, the individuals who espoused this view. I’ve been involved in the pro-life movement was when I first got into apologetics back in the early two thousands. My second book is Persuasive pro-Life, but the Catholic View. So basically the two views are incrementalism says in order to outlaw abortion, it is acceptable to vote for politicians and legislation that is not perfect, but incrementally reduces access to abortion. Abortion abolitionists typically say that the only morally appropriate response is to only put the perfect abortion laws. We ought to have that fully outlaw abortion at all stages of development and provide appropriate punishments for those involved, including the woman who is involved similar to other kinds of homicide, the Catholic position would allow for, I mean, well, you can’t be an abolitionist as a Catholic if you say incrementalism is wrong.
You could say you prefer to try to just go for the whole a hundred yard touchdown, that’s fine. But in paragraph 73 of the gospel of life, Pope St. John Paul II does allow the permissibility of incremental approaches to abortion restrictions. And I personally, I mean I would love to get to a point where abortion is treated like other homicides. I want to get there, but abortion abolitionists have failed to tell me how we get there. And I think many of them have essentially said, it’s not our job to get there. That is up to God. Ultimately, our job is just to say the right thing and they have no plan for how to get there. The only viable plan that I can see is the same for every other social evil. You incrementally restrict it legally, and the public consciousness over time grows against it.
So the abolitionists, I would say, yeah, I’d love to get there. How do I get there? And I have never been given a realistic plan for how to get there. And so for Incrementalists are held as moral failures by abolitionists because oh, we haven’t fully gotten the job done yet. There’s still this legal, still that legal abortion, you haven’t either. You haven’t accomplished anything, so why aren’t you just as much moral failures you’re trying to do? I would also say I disagree with them. Their claim that the Bible mandates abolitionism, the biblical authors would’ve had no concept of voting in general or many other things we need to restrict in this day and age.
Michael:
Just everyone knows Trent’s got a hard stop we’re coming up on, so if he needs to take off, I will finish out Super chats. Just want to keep everyone advised on that. Hi Trent. What are some issues you think need to be addressed for a future church council? I would guess they will discuss if bism can only be done with those with holy order.
Trent:
I dunno if that’s a misspelling or not. Baptism,
Michael:
Bism, maybe they,
Trent:
That’s the first Google suggestion. Well, Catholic canon law allows for the validity of baptism done by anyone. While ideally it should be a minister, the deacon or priest, because baptism is the door to the other sacraments. Christ has made it as widely available as possible. So baptism, the code of Canon law of the Catholic Church recognizes as long as a baptism is done is the person intends to do what the church intends uses the proper form water and the proper matter water and the proper form, the Trinitarian baptismal formula. Then it’s a valid baptism. Even an atheist, if an atheist is with two atheists and one of the atheists says, I actually want to become Christian. And then the guy is dying and the other atheist friends, the only guy around and the guy says, I really wish I could have been baptized, atheist. The other atheist friend could take a bottle of water and he says, I want to do what Christians do here and says, I baptize you in the name of the Father Son and the Holy Spirit.
Yeah, it’s valid. So that wouldn’t be necessary at a council, a future ecumenical council. Oh gosh, the last one was the church of the modern World, Vatican Two. So many things. So many things. But I would really want to look at potential elements of reunification with Eastern Orthodoxy. In the past, we haven’t had that really address it, a council really, oh goodness, since three or 400 years ago, maybe like at Florence. But we’ve made a lot of theological headway with the Oriental Orthodox, even with the Eastern Orthodox. I think there’s a lot of room for fruitful engagement there. I think also in responding to the modern world, that Vatican too is about trying to, the church coming to grips with democracy and religious pluralism in societies. But I do think though, that now we might need something that’s more firmly speaking about how the modern world needs to come to grips with the church and saying, these are moral lines that cannot be crossed, and we have to call the modern world to repentance on. So there’s a few things.
Michael:
I am begrudgingly paying attention says rainbow theology to get my voice heard. I am a lesbian catholic. I love God and he loves me. My heart is hardened. You say, pick up your cross, your heart willing to Correct. Yeah, your heart is hardened. You say, pick up your cross, but are you willing to carry it with me?
Trent:
Well, I would hope so. I would say that Galatians six, two says that we ought to carry one another’s burdens. So I guess if I had a dialogue with this individual, I might say, okay, well what do you mean my heart is hardened? What does that mean? If that means that I have no empathy towards those who have same sex attraction? I would say that’s false. And people who lack that empathy should certainly change using even earlier, both of us recognize the importance of not using a derogatory term, even though we wanted to make a humorous joke. We recognize for the good of those with same-sex attraction. And the term I would say we would’ve used is fairly mild compared to other terms. But understand, and there are Christians who would just be, they would just use slurs. They would be, and I’ve seen them, I know other Catholics that do channels who are very vile in this regard towards those same sex attraction. So they have hardened hearts. I would agree that that’s wrong. But if what you’re saying is my heart is hardened because I believe the act of sodomy is sinful, whether it’s two men, two women, or a man and a woman, I would say, no, my heart isn’t hardened. I’ve just received what God has revealed. And those who don’t receive that truth, are you willing to be open to the fact that your heart has been hardened to the truth that God is giving?
Those who are just like the man who fornicates and says it isn’t a big deal, has hardened his heart against God, the person who is in an adulterous relationship, the person who visits prostitutes, sex workers as some might try to call it. So I would say that the church should walk with those who are struggling for many sinful behavior. I always recommend courage. It’s an apostolate in the Catholic church dedicated to helping those the same sex attraction. It doesn’t try to change people’s orientation, but I believe the website is courage rc.net, and that would be a resource. I would point this individual if they would like to see more maybe where I might be coming from. There’s a great documentary called Desire of the Everlasting Hills I think they might find to be very helpful.
Michael:
And I’m always willing to help in any way I can. Of course, we’re online personalities. It’s harder to help local people. I remember I think a year or so ago, I had an individual reach out to me, said they were trans and they felt God was calling them out of that. So I encouraged them to get out of that and to get in a good local church that could help them because it’s very important for us to carry one another’s burdens. The church does need to come alongside people who are struggling in this area and help
Trent:
Them. But I will say this, that the church has been present to carry the cross of a particular group within the L-G-B-T-Q community. And that would be transgender individuals who detransition and return to identifying as their biological sex, often with emotional and physical scars, deformity injury that leaves ’em with lifelong infertility, bodily mutilation. And so these are individuals. The church has welcomed and is walking with that many people within the active transgender community have tried to shun and try to pretend that they do not exist. So I would say who is going to carry their cross of being a detransition? I would say the LGBT community has really failed in that regard because to do so would hamper many of their political goals that the church has been active in that way. But I should actually should go a little bit early so I can get prep for my next. Much appreciate. I got another interview here in about 10 minutes. I got to get that stuff right. I think this was a good question to end on, but thank you once again for having me on the show and for the live stream. We’d be happy to do it again anytime.
Michael:
Oh, absolutely. We’ll definitely have you on again. But yeah, where are you going? Are you going on another live stream right now?
Trent:
I am. I’ve got another one that was booked back to back. It’s at eight in 15 minutes, but I need to put myself together first before that.
Michael:
Alright. Yeah. So we’ll finish out here. You can check out Trent on the other, you know what channel that one’s going to be on.
Trent:
That’s on I think Kelly Power’s channel Bean call, I think Berean perspective, I believe. So. We’re going to have a little chat about solo scriptura, so I’ll head over there and if I’m a little slow at the gun, I was already here, but I’m excited to have that chat with him and I was really happy to do this, fit well in my schedule today. And yeah, it’s important to talk about these issues.
Michael:
Yeah. Well I much appreciate you coming on and we’ll definitely have you on again sometime. So thanks for coming.
Trent:
Alright, thank you very much. Thank you guys so much for watching. And please don’t forget to support us@trenthornpodcast.com.